alma
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Post by alma on Aug 21, 2016 0:12:02 GMT
Whilst I have myself partaken in the choir of caution emerging against Pod'lair, I should note that my inquiry into Pod'lair was not, as it has been for many typologists, surface deep. There were a few members of that time who dove earnestly into the subject before discovering its theoretical flaws, while the vast majority dismissed them based on their hostile presentation alone. For myself, in the spirit of the pursuit of truth, quirky names and abrasive emotionality were insufficient criteria for the negation or omission of the information emerging from them. Nor was their "occult" branding a sufficient deterrent for me to feel their direction of inquiry lacked luster. There is truly a lot to learn from Pod'lair, and I hope it's ok if I share some resources on this forum. This video in particular seems to provide something of a view that I haven't seen elsewhere. Glossary: Zai'nyy = TiNe Zai = Ti, Nyy = Ne, Vai = Si, Xyy = Fe Momentum = 1st and 2nd functions (energizing) Modulation = 3rd and 4th functions (draining) If you wanna skip the intro, a good place to start is 8:42 I know that Adymus himself is at least a Ti+Fe lead type, though I suspect Ni/Se is the supportive pair and Fe is his primary. Nonetheless, his information about Ti and Fe seems to me very informative.
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silom
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Post by silom on Aug 21, 2016 4:39:33 GMT
I hope this helps with the research. I'm making a transcript of it, and translating the terms as I go.
Transcript
Keening is defined as the manifestations and the mechanisms that come out of a given human deisgn when being used in an extreme capacity. Is that something that you need to put yourself through? Yes. For very good reasons, because you can think of this like doing workouts or living weights or something. Lets think of it like that. In order to get stronger; in order to get more toned or whatever, or to increase your endurance, you need to push your system to its limits. And only through doing that will you be able to progressively increase its limit. /skip/
So it's a cycle of taxing yourself, fatiguing yourself, and then recovering from it. This is how you get stronger. But you just don't wanna overdo it, you don't wanna over-exert yourself because that's how you pull a muscle. So, exerting yourself but doing it in such a way that actually yields healthy results. So it's the results that you wanna be aware of.
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So lets start by going over the powers of the TiNe and different degrees of keening. Starting with Ti. Ti's momentum is in "clarity", "dispassion" and "reactive theorizing". It's first degree of keening is:
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Pure Criticism 1st Degree of Ti Keening
Basically, you can think of this as when Ti gives a pure Ti critique without taking humanistic criteria into consideration at all. Now on one hand this pure criticism can be a great thing. It can be aimed at yourself, aimed at other people, and it can be something that - while very harsh - sometimes it's exactly what needs to be done, exactly what needs to be said or what needs to be applied. Sometimes the humanistic consideration is exactly what you need to be dispassionate of in order to actually have a clear position or perspective on something.
This is keening though, because the criticism that you're giving is going to be biting. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, once again, sometimes it needs to be harsh. Sometimes for "F" reasons, for humanistic reasons, it needs to be harsh. But it can be too severe sometimes. Sometimes it can be so harsh that it's just stifling and it completely defeats the purpose. So there actually does need to be a balance. And to a point where you need to be aware of when you're kindof overdoing the pure criticism to a point where it's actually just slashing down potential, or it's too severe and is self-defeating.
Logical Labyrinth 2nd Degree of Ti Keening
The next degree of keening for the TiNe is logical labyrinths. And basically what this means: this is referring to how Ti is really good at making prototype constructs in order to figure things out. These are logical labyrinths but you have to be careful that this is modulated correctly by Fe; proper Fe modulation. So what kindof needs to be watched out for is that the theorizing and experimentation that is coming from this, is actually producing-- that is in harmony with the getting of results in some way.
So you have to be careful not to lock yourself up in kindof just a game world in your head where you kindof just got lost in it, and now you think you have to-- you've given yourself restrictions as well as burdens that you think that you have to follow. That in reality you may not actually have to follow. And it's kindof keeping you in a mastubatory theorizing phase that doesn't actually follow through to anything productive. That just stifles progress.
The logical labyrinths are supposed to be teaching tools of sorts but excessive kindof getting lost in them can actually lead them to becoming a trap, as opposed to the teaching tool that they're supposed to be. There is a drug-like quality to Ti's logical labyrinths in the sense that you really can get lost in them and that's actually a cool thing. It's actually an ultra power of Ti to get kindof really wrapped into these kindof game worlds that we create that allow us to do these deductive experiments to find answers and really understand things. So, logical labyrinths, when it's extreme - and that's why it's keening - is a form of extreme experimentation but you kindof have to be careful that it doesn't become stress lock because in overdoing the logical labyrinth it can become something that ends up becoming very stifling, very destructive and we kindof trap ourselves in them. So that's where the balance needs to be.
Purging 3rd Degree of Ti Keening
Now the third degree of Ti keeing is purging. Purging refers to any kind of intense desire to make oneself "clean". To purify oneself of corruptness of sorts, or to unfetter yourself of needless attachments that are maybe just holding you back. This is extreme keening which can be a good thing - a very good thing. And sometimes the extreme purging is exactly what you need to do the correct move. Sometimes there are things in you that are corrupt and you have to get rid of. Sometimes there are things that are legitimately holding you back and if an extreme situation arises where you now need to drop a bunch of resources or something that will just tie you down if you're attached to them. Sometimes you do have to actually sever attachments that are holding you back. What turns this around into just complete stress lock is when the purging causes you to get rid of resources that you didn't actually need to get rid of, and which were actually useful. So this can cause you to, for example, just ruthlessly sever relationships, family members, lovers or something like that. All of the sudden you feel like "oh, they're holding me back, I need to get rid of them. Need to sever those ties." Or purge information that you felt was corrupted or tainted in some way, when it may have actually been useful to you, and you have have actually been throwing away resources. That's when it goes into stress lock.
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